History of the Kaiser Permanente Medical Care Program Oral History Transcript

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History of the Kaiser Permanente Medical Care Program Oral History Transcript
Clifford H Keene
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I really didn't understand what he was doing. Then he made the preposterous statement that he could get a grant from somebody in the federal government to do what he wanted to do if someone would sponsor him. So in an unguarded moment I said, "Sure, we'll sponsor you. " And lo and behold he did get a grant, [interviewer laughs] So I was saddled with Ellsworth. He proved to be the first of many researchers whom we sponsored and supported. We provided a laboratory and got more and more grants.
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...ghes: Had he been a Kaiser physician prior to this?
Keene: Yes, he was a Kaiser physician, but he was doing the physician part of it just enough to do his research.
61 Hughes: Which was very atypical for a Kaiser physician, wasn't it?
Keene: Yes. The usual doctor in the Permanente groups was caring for patients. He wasn't particularly interested in research.
Then, lo and behold, a fellow by the name of Timothy Leary came to see me. Timothy Leary turned out to be a fellow with glasses, hearing aid, deaf, and he spoke in a peculiar jargon which if he had been speaking in Sanskrit I couldn't have understood him less.


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